In 2000 a sledgehammer cartridge that would launch 250- to 600-grain .45 caliber bullets from a standard size AR-15 with a proper barrel and chamber was born — enter the .458 SOCOM. Modular, accurate and durable are attributes that make the AR-15 platform or Modern Sporting Rifle (MSR) such a popular choice. Want to bet it was milsurp FMJ? I too am thinking about a bear hunt with it up in Northern Minnesota. Since the round fits in standard 5.56 magazines, it makes for an easy transition moving from one species to another in the same platform. 458 Win Mag vs 458 Lott: What You Know May Be Wrong.450 Marlin: Everything You Need To Know. In this article I’ll detail the components I chose for building semi-auto The Pig Truth. That is a lot of horsepower. When you use Steinel pistol or rifle ammo, you can be sure that countless hours of research and testing have gone into every round. I handload .458 SOCOM as follows for 1 round with all new brass. Our passion for precision, repeatability, accuracy, and reliability drives our pursuit of perfection. Then there is the whole .308 thing. Posted by HuntingNews | Sep 20, 2019 | Hunting News | 0 |. His son talked him into using 458 SOCOM in an AR platform and after finding out about Steinel’s 458 SOCOM 300 gr. As previously discussed, the .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM, and .50 Beowulf all offer performance comparable to the .45-70 from an AR platform. I already have two .223 uppers and I wanted a rifle that was more powerful than a 6.5 Grendel or a 6.8SPC that was suitable for elk, deer, and bear under 100 yards. Enter the .458 SOCOM, THE HAMMER OF DEATH for hogs. The Battle of Mogadishu was the tipping point during a two-day battle between US Forces and Somali militiamen under Mohamed Farrah Aidid, the self-proclaimed president-to-be. Twinsburg, Ohio (September 2019) – With hunting season underway across the country, an increasing number of AR-15 platforms are being used in the field.Modular, accurate and durable are attributes that make the AR-15 platform or Modern Sporting … The legend of the founding of the 458 SOCOM round does not begin in a large ammo company’s R&D, but at a barbeque. Twinsburg, Ohio (Ammoland.com) – With hunting season underway across the country, an increasing number of AR-15 platforms are being used in the field. Fred drops a cinnamon phase black bear right in it's tracks with his Rock River Arms .458 SOCOM. The gun is a RRA 458 socom mid length, harris bipod and a vortex viper pst 2.5-10x32 for the optic. Why 458 SOCOM? I have been reloading for over 40 yrs. I have taken three deer with this caliber/rifle combo in … The quality, price and service from Steinel Ammo stand out so much that I had to build a matching pistol. All of these rounds are in the 300-350gr range besides the single subsonic .458 SOCOM … The 458 SOCOM cartridge offers the practical ballistics of the legendary .45-70 in a modern AR platform rifle and is capable of firing 250 to 600 grain .458 caliber bullets in a lightweight, controllable package. Both big-bores connected for quick clean kills. Bottom Line. All that being said, i still think a good bolt gun is your best option for big game hunting. Marty set forth from that stuff-of-legends meeting to develop the 458 SOCOM based upon the Special Operations Command requirements. “Our SOCOM customers come back for our accurate, reliable rounds that feature great bullets, across multiple hunting applications,” Andy Steinel, president of Steinel Ammunition said. It is a good pick for boar (hog) and bear. A contact made at a local gun show in Ohio led the fledgling Steinel Ammunition Company to its first  distributor, specifically of this military-style round. It is an absolute dream to hunt with, it is short, light, extremely handy, and extremely fast on target. With that said, I don't think many hunters would consider using a 38 spcl to hunt elk. If you know the drop, it will kill well past 100 yards. When I collect enough fired brass I decap, size, trim, clean it and store it for future loading. Slapping the upper onto a lower receiver revealed it to be a light and handy setup Weight with a Vortex 2.5-10x44mm Viper scope, mount and empty magazine came in at 8.2 pounds. Enjoy this article on the .45-70 Government? 450 Bushmaster vs 458 SOCOM vs 50 Beowulf: Which Is Right For You? There are three big bore AR-15 type cartridges that bear mention, the .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM and .50 Beowulf. BTHP for target shooting, and 155gr. Thanks. “The 300 grain JHP works for most everyone, but for those that prefer exceptional accuracy we offer the 325 grain FTX, and for those who demand unmatched penetration we have our 325-grain solid brass RNFP. But the 458 SOCOM would find its place far from the battlefield as a preferred large game caliber that hits hard and ethically drops bigger game at short to mid ranges. JHP because of its consistency round after round. For instance, … April 12, 2019. The 300-grain (19 g) round offers a supersonic muzzle velocity of 1,900 ft/s (580 m/s) and 2,405 ft⋅lbf (3,261 … Coyote Hunt 458 Socom 570 Grain Subsonic Suppressed Episode 1 Uploaded by czb1972 on October 11, 2020 at 5:42 am Self-Filmed coyote hunt in Montana with the 458 Socom Bolt action shooting a 570 grain Lehigh Defense CF Subsonic Bullet at 850 fps! JHP, he was shooting 3-round groups at sub-MOA at 100 yards. deer with a non-typical rack at under 110 yards and “the shock power of the round knocked down the deer and it did not suffer.”. Twinsburg, Ohio (September 2019) – With hunting season underway across the country, an increasing number of AR-15 platforms are being used in the field. I bought the equipment 6 years ago. We hunted over bait from fixed, portable and ground stands in a mix of Provincial and private land in and around Golden Lake, Ontario. These rifles can take any big game in the world. The whole reason that the 458 was invented was for deep penetration on dangerous game (cape buffalo, elephant, rhino). For hunters who prefer the MSR platform and want a bone crushing projectile that takes game quickly and effectively at short to mid-ranges, the 458 SOCOM is a preferred caliber. Even though we currently offer 4 different loads, we are still expanding our 458 SOCOM offerings to meet the discerning broad needs of our customers. We stand by our products 100 percent with a Satisfaction Guarantee policy. Copyright © 2020 by Team HuntingLife | Web Development by TaDa! The platform, initially developed by Armalite in the 1950’s as a military-style rifle, has become increasingly popular with civilians for home defense, varmint hunting and more recently big game hunting. Joined Jun 13, 2007 Messages 5,395 Location Wilmington NC. Ballistics of the SOCOM have been compared to the 45-70 except in a semi-auto AR-15 rifle. Re: Battle of Mogadishu. I wouldn't personally consider using a .308 for elk sized game. HP – 44 cents NEW Starline Brass – 68 cents 36gr. I’m not a Creedmoor fanboy, but you seemed averse to the “recoil” of a .308. Yes, yes, yes, I know, you enjoy hand loading so your time doesn’t count as part of the cost. “Our SOCOM customers come back for our accurate, reliable rounds that feature great bullets, across multiple hunting applications,” Andy Steinel, president of Steinel Ammunition said. I have taken three deer with this caliber/rifle combo in … By moving from site to site and bugling at each stop, they were soon covering lots of ground to locate a big bull. By T. Logan Metesh. Anyone hunting with a .458 socom ? This makes the .450 Bushmaster capable on virtually all big game in North America at ranges out to 225 yards including moose and elk. There are three big bore AR-15 type cartridges that bear mention, the .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM and .50 Beowulf. Hunters found these calibers were effective against mid-sized large game such as deer, hogs and black bear. Like the .458 SOCOM, the .50 AE is also the parent case of the .50 Beowulf. When Steinel Ammunition started out, they bet their future on the 458 SOCOM cartridge and now offer 4 different loads for the big game hunter. Initially, hunters who had been intrigued and enthusiastic about this round, found it scarce in the marketplace, and if found, expensive. Dec 17, 2007 #2 B. BountyHunter Well-Known Member. The US Forces were comprised of the elite special forces from the US Army Special Operations Command, Air Force Special Operations Command and the US Naval Special Warfare Command, collaborating as Task Force Ranger. While other manufacturers may have a specific product line designated as “match” or “premium,” at Steinel—premium ammunition is all we do. The legend of the founding of the 458 SOCOM round does not begin in a large ammo company’s R&D but at a barbeque. The pursuit was on for a reliable projectile that could take larger game ethically and fit and feed the MSR platform consistently. Gun Reviews. 450 Bushmaster vs 458 SOCOM vs 50 Beowulf: Battle Of The Big Bore AR Cartridges. A while ago I checked and Hornady … Using their figures, the ft/lbs of energy is about 2,300 +. Question: Why wasn't the 204, 20 or the 223 WSM practical included in best-hunting cartridges for AR style rifles? The Sentry 12: A New Kind of Shotgun. This comparison only matters depending on which types of games you are focusing on. For hand-loaders (me), the SOCOM can be loaded with anything from a 100 gr. Many hunters just couldn’t wait to use this .458 SOCOM round to hunt mid-large game and unsurprisingly during hunts, it performs just as well as it does on the shooting range. Cost is not quite double at $60/20 rds, but how many shots do you need in hunting? “I’ve hunted with the .458 SOCOM for years, and it’s a great cartridge out to 140–150 yards,” said Wilson, “but past this range, the go-to hunting bullet, the Barnes 300 grain TTSX, fails to expand … even on large game such as elk or zebra. One of Steinel’s converts previously found that using traditional hunting rounds such as .30-06 or .308 left him tracking wounded deer since the round would not fully expand and pass right through the deer. 458 Socom can tackle the 600-grain, while 450 Bushmaster can handle half of this number. Although one did manage to move off the edge of a steep drop… Read more », I load 150gr. The .458 Socom is a pretty fun round to fire off no matter what the application. I spotted the muflon sunday night over 1200 yards away on a ridge and on Saturday afternoon I came up on an aoudad that was under the feeder as I was about to climb into my stand. Question: What do you think of the .458 SoCom rifle? The Battle of Mogadishu was the tipping point during a two-day battle between US Forces and Somali militiamen under Mohamed Farrah Aidid, the self-proclaimed president-to-be. The ejection port opening of the upper receiver must be extended to allow clearance for the larger cartridge. Dec 13, 2018 #1. They’re all very effective on a wide variety of game at short to moderate range. It certainly can take out a wild pig. (The .458 SOCOM is … Ryben, right on, those who do not reload do not know what they are missing. I’ve shot dozens of both whitetail and mule deer with the -06 and have never had to track one very far. Of course I also dream about using this on grizzlies and elk someday. The Battle of Mogadishu was the tipping point during a two-day battle between US Forces and Somali militiamen under Mohamed Farrah Aidid, the self-proclaimed president-to-be. While not legal in states requiring straight-wall only cartridges, the 458 SOCOM offers the advantage of a hard-hitting 45 caliber rifle in the AR-15 platform. Thread starter transfixer; Start date Dec 13, 2018; Dec 13, 2018. The .458 SOCOM (11.63×40mm) is a moderately large round designed for a specialized upper receiver that can be mounted on any AR-15 pattern lower receiver. In fact, the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) estimates approximately 5 to 10 million MSRs are owned by responsible citizens. So far my .458 SOCOM’s have accounted for over 100 hogs. 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The goal was to capture two of Aidid’s top lieutenants and the time frame for the mission was estimated to be about an hour and ended up lasting overnight and well into the next day with 18 elite American troops killed. But what bullet? H110 – 10 cents CCI 200 LRP – 3 cents TOTAL – $1.25 or $25 for 20 rounds Loading for the Hornady 325gr. The goal was to capture two of Aidid’s top lieutenants and the time frame for the mission was estimated to be about an hour and ended up lasting overnight and well into the next day with 18 elite American troops killed. Ammoland the surrogate founder of ‘Steinel Ammunition? API for when the SHTF. The .458 SOCOM feeds from most standard unmodified 5.56 AR magazines. pill @ 3,000 fps to 600 grain bullets (subsonic). It is a 150 yard point blank rifle when properly sighted in. Almost anything works fine for deer-sized game and smaller. One of the biggest advantages of .458 SOCOM is it was designed specifically to fit standard GI AR mags, of which most of us have many. Each recipe, component, and assembly are designed to provide you with optimal performance. “The 458 SOCOM cartridge was required to fit the M4 carbine and fire at subsonic velocities using suppressors.” Just guessing that Steinel ‘may’ produce ‘subsonic’ ammo for the .458, but none of those listed are anything like ‘subsonic.’ The article does mention hunting other than the human animal and most likely the reason for the increased velocities? One of the many issues our US Forces commanders realized was that the current military round, the 5.56×45 cartridge, did not have effective stopping power on enemy troops, especially enemy troops hopped up on the local drug Khat, an herbal stimulant that causes loss of appetite, excitement and the inability to feel and register pain. When I get several hundred cases of a caliber I spend an evening or two or three loading them. Answer: That's a good one, too. But one of these calibers did not get its start as a hunting caliber, at least of the four-legged variety. Couldn't pass it up at that price and .458 SOCOM is legal for Indiana deer so it was an easy decision. Range Conversely, one of the biggest arguments against the .458 SOCOM is its limited range. Midsouth offers some of the best prices on .458 diameter Rifle Bullets from great brands like Hornady, Berger, Nosler, Sierra, and more! “I tried numerous brands of ammo. Wish I would have bought one at gov surplus when they had them. Thread starter #1. transfixer Senior Member. The 2001 Ridley Scott movie Black Hawk Down, a film based on the novel by Mark Bowden about the 1993 raid in Mogadishu, brought home the enormity and horror of modern warfare to the American public. After looking at the round, I realized it had to be something derived from the .458 SOCOM, a round I have used extensively and … It came in light, by 1/2 lb better than most in that same category with wood. Ballistics of the SOCOM have been compared to the 45-70 except in a semi-auto AR-15 rifle. This is basically a lightly loaded 4570 in semi auto form. The 450 Bushmaster, 220 gr, Extreme Hunter, loaded by Underwood has 2,770 ft/lbs, and a better trajectory in from a 16” barrel. A .458 SOCOM at 600-grain almost becomes absurd on a deer at close range, like using a Glock on a gnat. I shot two deer with a 458 and what most of these people say is simply untrue. Even though we currently offer 4 different loads, we are still expanding our 458 SOCOM offerings to meet the discerning broad needs of our customers. To save on shipping, I'd like to order bullets when the brass arrives. For those who want to hunt big game, destroy cars or houses, or do close range sniping with an AR platform firearm, the 458 SOCOM has no equal. Nine bow hunters and 3 rifles in the bunch; two 45-70 Marlin 1895 Guide Gun's and my Savage bolt in 458 Socom. If you searching to check Hunting Elk With 458 Socom And Whats Better 50 Beowulf Or 458 Socom price. For those looking for optimal expansion, we offer a 250 grain Solid Copper Hollow Point (SCHP). (The .458 SOCOM is … Buy a quality .458 SOCOM hunting rifle here. I already have two .223 uppers and I wanted a rifle that was more powerful than a 6.5 Grendel or a 6.8SPC that was suitable for elk, deer, and bear under 100 yards. After having taken an elk with an 18" 308, I really think 308 is on the light side for elk. If you want to carry an AR for elk, look at a .458 SOCOM (under 150 yards) or get an AR-10 in 6.5 Creedmoor. If so any info on type of action etc would be appreciated. For more information on Steinel Ammunition Co., visit www.steinelammo.com or follow along on Facebook or Instagram. Differences Between 450 Bushmaster And 458 Socom Power. While the original .223 cartridge was effective for small game and varmints, deer hunters found the cartridge lacking in knock-down power. Less than 20 years later, a new ammunition design and manufacturing company, founded by Andy Steinel, was making the gun show rounds selling his unique MILSurp, big bore and hard-to-find calibers. My opinion is that the .458 SOCOM is the perfect Indiana deer cartridge, especially in the AR series of rifles. AmmoLand Giveaway – 5,000 Rounds of CCI Blazer 9mm Ammo FREE! 458 SOCOM, if you can keep your shots inside of 75 yards. Whole thing would never have happened if Clinton had not pursued internationalist goals in Somalia instead of keeping US neutral supplier of aid to starving civilians. Sponsored Post. Much of the research on the capabilities of big-bore AR-15 rounds like the.458 SOCOM concentrate in the area of subsonic (1,050 fps and lower velocities) and suppressed loads. The 458 SOCOM cartridge offers the practical ballistics of the legendary.45-70 in a modern AR platform rifle and is capable of firing 250 to 600 grain.458 caliber bullets in a lightweight, controllable package. 458 bullets slow down FAST. Bone crusher calibers would quickly follow providing high country hunters with the power to knock down large American game such as elk, moose and brown bear. 300winmag 190gr Match, 7.62NATO 147gr, 444 Marlin 240gr, empty 444 case, 458 SOCOM 500gr, 5.56mm 55gr, empty 458 SOCOM case, 300gr Remington SP 458 bullet, empty 440 Corbon Magnum case When the world's a cold place, better pack your own heat. We stand by our products 100 percent with a Satisfaction Guarantee policy. Just put the crosshairs on the deer's chest and do your part as a rifleman. It is a 150 yard point blank rifle when properly sighted in. and love every minute of it! Both are extremely accurate and I can find the bullets every where usually so I have a stock pile of them. When Steinel Ammunition started, they bet their future on the 458 SOCOM cartridge and now offer 4 different loads for the big game hunter. That always works but it does… Read more ». The .458 SOCOM is standardized at 40mm (1.575 inch) length and allows a Barnes 300-grain X-Bullet spitzer to be seated to function in a standard .223 magazine. The ammo runs flawlessly through both firearms. Steinel Ammunition Co. is a premium manufacturer of self-defense, hunting, and target ammunition. Man, what fun — unless it was in the winter. Bobby Tyler Artisan, Gunsmith and Founder of Tyler Gun ... Grant Woods, Ph.D., Wildlife biologist and host of Grow... 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For instance, if the games are deers, the 450 is more than capable. I also picked up a nearly new, shot 50 times Predator Pursuit for $900 off of Gunbroker, nice varmint/deer package. Even with big bore cartridges like the .458 socom and the .50 Beowulf available you get far more range and reliable killing power not to mention cheaper ammo and more abundant options with a cartridge like . Marty ter Weeme, founder of Teppo Jutsu, a small, custom ammunition design and firearms company in Texas, was chatting with a senior member of the US special operations community while have a few beers and some good down-home Texas BBQ. And, of course, you just happened to have ALL the equipment you needed (including the dies) so there is no equipment cost (and that equipment will all last forever) Sure hand loading is cheaper (at least for most calibers) and potentially more accurate (although getting TO “more accurate” requires a lot of trial and error which adds cost), but the point of the line that you objected to was that you don’t need to hand load… Read more », Always a naysayer or Devil’s advocate in the bunch. This power is truly suitable for larger game, like boars and bears. Hunt. The Movie Black Hawk Down was based on a factual account, more or less, of the Battle of Mogadishu, not a novel (essentially names changed to protect the innocent). To save on shipping, I'd like to order bullets when the brass arrives. Back to that barbeque. The US Forces were comprised of the elite special forces from the US Army Special Operations … Another use for .458 SOCOM is as a hunting round. I used to lead a scout platoon of m60 gun jeeps (I was squared away in those days!) For hunters who prefer the MSR platform and want a bone-crushing projectile that takes game quickly and effectively at short to mid-ranges, the 458 SOCOM is a preferred caliber. The 2001 Ridley Scott movie Black Hawk Down, a film based on the novel by Mark Bowden about the 1993 raid in Mogadishu, brought home the enormity and horror of modern warfare to the American public. The .458 SOCOM (Special Operations Command) can push bullets from 140 to 600 grains. While not legal in states requiring straight-wall only cartridges, the 458 SOCOM offers the advantage of a hard-hitting 45 caliber rifle in the AR-15 platform. 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